Verizon FIOS: We're Working Harder To Do Everything We Possibly Can To Screw Up
This is the story and review of how it took Verizon six months to get fiber optic internet installed to my home. Six. Months.
Before I get into the horror story of why it took so long, and why I continue to despise Verizon, let's focus on reviewing the product itself.
Vital Stats
Provider: Verizon Fiber OpticService: Data (voice/tv not avail)
Speed: 5mb dn/2mb up
Cost: $30/mo 1st 6 mo, $40/mo after
Fees: $19.99 activation fee, free install
Grades
Site work: F
Installation: F
Product: B
Cust. Svc: F
Website: Verizonfios.com
What is FIOS?
Verizon FIOS is Verizon's answer to Comcast broadband. Fiber optic internet, phone, and TV to your doorstep at competitive pricing to Comcast. The competition gets a little complicated when you figure in the deals for bundling service (more on that later), but it generally evens out. At the moment, Verizon has the edge for price/performance.
What happens when you order FIOS?
Verizon is rolling out FIOS to a limited number of areas. This means laying the infrastructure all the way from the street level to your home or apartment, because absolutely nothing exists. They can't go through existing phone or coax wiring because fiber is totally different. Once reserved for the almighty internet backbone, fiber optic is literally light pulses going down a strand of clear poly/glass, much like those fiber optic light showsthat all white trash families think make an excellent living room decoration.
Someday, I'm sure homes will come pre-wired for fiber and CAT5, but today we get to relive the late 70's and early 80's when coax was being rolled out everywhere.
You can check the FIOS website (see sidebar) to see if service is available in your area. If it is, ordering service means a painfully long ordeal of having install crews jump around your street, your building, and your attic. They'll want to break concrete and bury lines. They'll want to lay conduit on the side of your building. You'll talk to local construction contractors in the process. I'm dead serious.
Verizon claims it takes a couple of weeks for most home installations, and a little longer for apartments and condos, for crews to show up. Work is done on a steady schedule:
- One crew pulls the fiber from the street pole down to your property.
- The next crew puts a box on the outside of your building, and drops wiring into your attic.
- The next crew pulls the wiring from your attic into your home and puts in either a CAT5 jack and router (for apartments and condos), or a full set of equipment (for homes).
After that, internet service is the same as DSL and cable: plug in your own router, or connect your computer(s) directly to their hardware.
Verizon provides a detailed explanation of how the process works. I recommend reading through the explanation. It's very good at laying out the process. Unfortunately, the process is a complete clusterfuck. I'll explain why at the end.
Pictures

Equipment at the street level. If you've seen a Verizon truck on your street doing stuff for days at a time within the last six months, FIOS is probably available in your area. YAY VERIZON!

More street level equipment. YAY VERIZON!

Lots of obnoxious poles bring the fiber down to the ground. YAY VERIZON!

A typical installation on the side of a building. Oh look, they were kind enough to leave their crap laying all around. YAY VERIZON!

The FIOS box. Notice the crappy unfinished conduit and exposed wire. That little yellow thing is the fiber optic line. All it takes is one curious cat and it's all over for the entire building. YAY VERIZON!

Look at the shiny new conduit! It carries fiber from the box to the attic! It's obtrusive, flimsy AND obnoxious! YAY VERIZON!

Lots of exposed wiring and incomplete conduit for getting fiber into the attic through a side vent that was jarred open to accomodate the installation. YAY VERIZON!

The indoor equipment. Oh my christ. If you're a home, you get one of these. If you're an apartment, you're theoretically supposed to get just the black box and all the rest goes in a phone closet somewhere. Later, I'll explain why I got it all. Yes, this is a permanent installation and you don't get to move it around. Everything is punched down as tight as possible with absolutely no regard for your drywall. Why can't they put this crap in the attic? Because the crew that does this installation is union, and they just don't do that sort of thing. YAY VERIZON!

This is the ONT1000 (optical Network Terminal) by Motorola. It's big and industrial and was not meant to be seen by humans. It's about 18" tall. YAY VERIZON!

This is the battery backup for the ONT. That's right: battery backup. At least they're thinking ahead to the day when I'll need my internet to work during a power outage. Because, seriously -- it will. YAY VERIZON!

The AC adapter for the battery backup. I'm willing to bet they have several versions depending on how the installer intends to draw power. YAY VERIZON!

Oh look, it's an Actiontec MI424WR router. What were the chances? I read the reviews of this unit, and they're all mediocre to horrific. I tried using the interface to configure the unit. In typical Actiontec fashion, it sucks. For example, you do have WPA encryption on the unit, but the only way to get to it is in an advanced menu two levels deep. WEP encryption is a permanent fixture on the status page, even if you don't use it. Yes, you can replace this router with one of your choice, as long as you clone this router's mac address to your's. That's all the ONT checks for. YAY VERIZON!

The back of the Actiontec router. Is that a coax? Why, yes it is! Does it get used in this installation? No. Have I tried plugging into my Comcast coax? Hell no. YAY VERIZON!
How's the speed and latency?
Here's where it gets interesting. I originally wanted to dump Comcast because I was getting 4mbit down/384k up for $55/mo from them. When Verizon came along, I couldn't resist. However, what I didn't realize is that when you also bundle cable, Comcast boosts your speed to 8mbit dn/1.5mbit up and they take the price down to $45/mo. Well, crap.
Fortunately, FIOS seems to be performing as promised, but it's only been in for 6 hours. Latency appears to be on par with Comcast. It doesn't look like they're blocking any ports or traffic other than port 80. I ordered the 5mbit down/2mbit up package because it was the absolute cheapest. Installation is free with a one-year contract. Activation fee is $19.99. Service comes with a 30-day money back guarantee.
I'll follow up this review with another in 30 days to see how the installation's performance holds up.
Speakeasy.net speed test results:

Speed through Comcast: 8.4mbit down/1.48mbit up

Speed through Verizon using their crappy Actiontec router: 5.07mbit down/1.79mbit up

Speed through Verizon after replacing the Actiontec with my Linksys: 5.07mbit down/1.79mbit up. No speed penalty even though the Actiontec threatened me with as much. Remember to clone the Actiontec mac address to your router if you're going to swap it out. The ONT only talks to one mac address.
Everything is in and working. Why did you give FIOS mostly failing grades?
Heh. That's a funny story. See, I'm of the silly opinion that it doesn't take six months to get anything installed. It takes six months to build a house. It takes six months to pwn a middle east country. It should not take six months to bring a silly wire from the street to the house. It should not take literally dozens of phone calls to floor supervisors, local managers and contractors. But that's exactly what happened. Here's where my horror story begins:
The Horror! THE HORROR!!!
October 2006 - I got a nice packet in the mail announcing that FIOS is available immediately. The packet was addressed specifically to me with my apartment number. I thought to myself, "cool! They know I'm in an apartment." I confirmed through the online sign-up that FIOS is available at my address, down to my apartment number. I signed up right away.
Well, I tried to anyway. The online ordering system takes all of your information including your credit card number and dies with an obnoxious error on the last step. The truly annoying part is that the website authorizes your card before it can complete everything. Silly me, I didn't realize this and attempted the sign up fifteen times. Then I saw a $15 hole in my bank account. (D'OH #1) It took a 30 minute call to Verizon to get signed up over the phone. But, at least I did.
I got a confirmation e-mail with an installation date. No problem. The install date came and went and nobody showed up. I called customer service. They said they didn't know I was an apartment (D'OH #2), therefore they need to redo some things. My install date was pushed out to November. Argh.
November 2006 - My install date came and I got a call from Verizon in California stating that they didn't know I was an apartment (D'OH #3) and that there are some special California laws (D'OH #4) regarding multi-family installations. "WTF? I'm in Washington, lady." The rep apologized profusely. While attempting to determine when I could expect my installation, she asked me if I'm enjoying this unseasonably fine California weather (D'OH #4). I was then told that my order is TBD, and Verizon will call me as soon as they have a firm date for installation. In the mean time I was given a permission form for the building owner to fill out so a construction crew can break concrete, lay wiring, and crawl around the building. "You have got to be kidding me."
"Sir, I think I know our products pretty well, and there's no such thing as fie-ohsss here. Maybe you're thinking of another company."
I e-mailed the signed permission form back to a different person who had "taken ownership of the projects in Washington" and promised immediate action. I think his name was Hector? I don't remember, I gave up taking notes for a while.
December 2006 - I called for an update. Nothing. I reminded them I'm an apartment. Call back was promised. I never got a call back. I had yet to see a construction crew show up and break concrete. (D'OH #5)
January 2007 - I called for an update. Nothing. I reminded them I'm an apartment. Call back was promised. I never got a call back. I had yet to see a construction crew show up and break concrete. (D'OH #6)
I received a Verzion bill for telephone service. WTF? (D'OH #7) I called customer service asking what's up, and they explained that phone service was part of my DSL order. (D'OH #8) It took nearly an hour for them to figure out that FIOS is not DSL. My favorite customer service rep quote: "Sir, I think I know our products pretty well, and there's no such thing as fie-ohsss here. Maybe you're thinking of another company."
God, I wish.
February 2007 - I got a call from an automated system telling me my install date is ready. Finally! I talked to a live person who confirmed my install date. I reminded her that I'm an apartment, and I had yet to see a construction crew break concrete. I didn't see a box on the side of my building. She said that's fine and I shouldn't worry because I probably can't see it anyway. Oooookay. (D'OH #9)
Install day - A nice technician named Scott showed up with a confused look on his face: he couldn't find the box on the side of my building. I said, "you shouldn't worry because you probably can't see it anyway. That's what the nice Verizon lady told me." Scott was not amused. He asked when a construction crew was out. I said I had not seen a construction crew at all, except for the crew on the street last October. Scott, while standing four feet away from me at all times, explained that unless a construction crew brings fiber from the street to my building, there's nothing he can do because he just installs equipment on the inside of the house. (D'OH #10) He was also surprised that I'm an apartment because his service ticket indicated I'm a single-family unit (house). (D'OH #11)
If a manager wants to hang up with you and give you a call back don't let him. Managers never call back.
When I explained that I've been waiting for this order since October, Scott was horrified and told me to call local construction manager Brad Jones at 425-820-3021 in a week, and he would be able to straighten everything out for me and get me installed in a couple of weeks. I called Brad. Twice. He never called me back. (D'OH #12)
That's when I got pissed.
Two weeks after install day
Still nothing, so I decided to brave FIOS customer service at 888-553-1555. BIG MISTAKE. I've dealt with incompetent customer service teams before, but never on a scale this mind boggling. I cannot fully describe to you how frustrating it is to talk to manager after manager and get a different answer every time. "Your order is pending." "Your order is in jeopardy." "I don't see an order for you." "I see your order is complete." "We don't do fiber to apartments." "We do fiber to apartments all the time." "Oh, the delay is that we don't have permission from your building owner." "I see the e-mail where you sent in the PDF of your building owner's signed permission form." "I see you're ordering DSL." It was between this date and the end of March that I made dozens of phone calls. Every day. Twice a day. Three times a day.
Here's what I've learned about Verizon FIOS customer service:
- If you're not ordering Verizon phone service, it will take the rep five minutes to pull up your account every time. (D'OH #13)
- A rep or a manager will ask for your call back number every time you call. Not because they want to verify information, but because their data entry system can't store call back numbers. (D'OH #14)
- If a manager wants to hang up with you and give you a call back don't let him. Managers never call back. Probably because the data entry system can't store call back numbers.
- You will spend approximately 75% of your call time on hold.
- Hold times are generally 3 minutes to get to a rep, and 10 minutes if you need to be transferred anywhere. This happens frequently. (D'OH #15)
- If your hold time is greater than 10 minutes, the phone system will most likely hang up on you. (D'OH #16)
- The 888-553-1555 number is billed as a tech support line. It's actually a pool that takes you to support, customer service, billing, ordering, or the operator. (D'OH #17)
- I hate to stereotype, but the main call center sounds like it's from Alabama or Georgia, and all the reps sound brain dead enough to be from those states. You know those reps who can't be bothered to enunciate as they introduce themselves with a 15 second script and will make up any BS answer to get you off the line? Those are the ones. (D'OH #18)
- Especially annoying is Erin in the orders group. I hate to stereotype even more, but she sounds like your typical fat, sassy black chick who sounds like she's doing the "oh no you dih-int" head bobbing thing every time she puts you on hold or hangs up on you in mid-sentence because she doesn't feel like dealing with you. I had to deal with her several times. She's the most useless, obnoxious human being ever. (D'OH #19)
You get the idea. I literally dealt with manager after manager for another week and a half without results or call backs, even though they were promised every time. Even Brad the supervisor promised me a call back the next day. Then he explained he could not call me back because he had a doctor's appointment the next day, but he would have another manager handle the case. I never heard from him or anyone else again. (D'OH #20)
Contractors are arguing over who has to handle complexes under and over a specific size.
One of the times I sat on hold, I went through the Verizon site and noticed that the pricing had changed. Originally, the price was $30/mo. Now it's $30/mo for the first six months, and $40/mo after that. (D'OH #21) Currently, I wonder what pricing I'll get? I placed my order back in October, but my install didn't happen for six months. It'll be interesting to see how Verizon bills me.
Getting Lucky with Randall
Then I got lucky: the only sane and competent person in the entire FIOS organization is Randall the floor supervisor in the Park West Dallas call center. Nobody has extensions, so that's how you have to ask for him. (When you ask for a supervisor, every rep uses the scripted line, "are you sure there's nothing I can help you with?" to which you must simply reply, "no. Fuck off and get me Randall the floor supervisor in the Park West Dallas call center.")Randall listened to my issue, promised to research it and return my call. HE DID. He called exactly when he promised he would and he got answers to what was happening.
What was happening
The problem is multi-family units. Specifically, there were two problems. Contractors are arguing over who has to handle complexes under and over a specific size. My complex is right on that size threshold so contractors would come out, take one look, say "WTF" and throw me to the other side of the threshold where the other contractor would do the exact same thing and throw me back. (D'OH #22) Repeat ad nauseum.
I had yet to see a construction crew break concrete. I didn't see a box on the side of my building. She said that's fine and I shouldn't worry because I probably can't see it anyway. Oooookay.
Also, multi-family units use different ONT equipment than homes. If you're a home, you get an ONT 1000 which is designed for one installation. If you're a complex, you get a different ONT which is desigend to route traffic to dozens of units from a centralized location. (Remember how I mentioned apartments are supposed to only see CAT5 and a router in each unit? Yeah.) The problem was a shortage of multi-family ONT's. (D'OH #23)
Randall, who forever receives my gratitude, took ownership of the situation and called the local managers himself to straighten this out. He allocated a local contractor who agreed to complete my install as if I were a single-family. So, instead of getting a CAT5 outlet in my wall, I got the whole mess. I guess that's a good thing? It's hard to say when it looks like there's a tiny phone company in your utility closet. I actually get the creeps every time I walk by it. It's as if Verizon has a slimy tentacle lightly tickling the corner of my mind reminding me, "I'm always with you, Imzadi."
The Home Stretch
Naturally, there were a few bumps in the road. Randall handed my case off to Janet Griffis, OSP Construction Core Coordinator (phone: 425-712-3256, cell: 425-327-0929), who personally came out to my property, apologized for the five month delay in my order, and walked me through what was going to happen. A construction crew would be out in 24 hours to do a "tap" directly to my building. It's quicker, but uglier. Instead of breaking concrete, the line would simply be laid to my building. That sounded terribly ugly and just begging for a disaster, but Janet seemed to think it was okay. I was too tired to argue.
It turned out that Janet is a moron. The outside construction crew did the work in a manner completely different to what Janet explained to me.
Janet also went through my home with me. We decided that the ONT equipment would go in my utility closet, since it was an easy wall drop from the attic. When Janet asked me where I wanted my CAT5 outlet, I specified the living room since that's where all my internet hardware was centered at already. Janet said she would get my final install date set for about 4 days from that day. "I'll get Scott back out here on Tuesday!" was her line.
Lastly, Janet informed me that they were going to go ahead and prep a box for the other building, too. Um, Janet? That's owned by someone else, not us. Did you not do your homework on the properties? (D'OH #24) I watched as Janet's crew stopped mid-stroke and started pulling down the box with the speed and fear of teenagers who had just been caught TP'ing old man Johnson's apple tree.
And, with some notes, Janet was off.
Dammit, Janet!
Unfortunately, it turned out that Janet is a moron. The outside construction crew did the work in a manner completely different to what Janet explained to me. Completely different. (To their credit, their work made much more sense than what Janet proposed.) Her attic wiring crew turned out to be a couple of chaw-spitting 20-something good ol' boys who left a trail of salivatic destruction everywhere they went: the driveway, the sidewalk, the steps to my door. Janet promised their work would take half an hour. It took two hours. (D'OH #25)
Three days later, I got a call from customer service advising my earliest install date was at least a week out. (D'OH #26) That's not what Janet promised. Called Janet. Janet apologized profusely and took ownership of the issue. Janet called me back an hour later to advise that yes, the earliest install date is in fact at least a week away, and I would need to be onsite for four hours during the middle of the day while the work was done. (D'OH #27) When I explained that isn't going to work because I'm out during the days, Janet worked the problem some more and came back to me with an evening install time that worked great. Janet also gave me a guilt trip about the technicians being union and evening work would have to have authorized over time and all this other blah blah blah crap that didn't matter to me. Sorry, Janet. I feel absolutely no sympathy for your organization.
Two days ago I got the automated reminder that said "your install date is Wednesday, from Noon to 4pm!" (D'OH #28) Um, no it's not. Janet set me up with an evening date. Called customer service with a dreadful sinking feeling. Customer service confirmed install appointment is for 12:30. (D'OH #29) Who did I deal with? Fat obnoxious black chick Erin, of course. Erin, in so many words, told me to fuck off and hung up on me. (D'OH #30) As usual. I called Janet and left her a message. I never got a call back. (D'OH #31) I checked the Verizon website to see the install schedule of my order: 8:30am to 12:30pm. (D'OH #32)
Scott replied that the ONT location is fine, but that he doesn't "fish" walls, so a CAT5 drop is my responsibility, contrary to what Janet had promised.
Today, March 21, nearly six months after my original order, the Return of Scott
Fortunately, I got to have the day off, so I was available all day for the install. Scott, the original installer from last month, came today at 1pm (D'OH #33). I showed him where Janet and I agreed the ONT will go, and where the CAT5 drop will be. Scott replied that the ONT location is fine, but that he doesn't "fish" walls (a process of running wires from an attic to an outlet location in a wall that's already been constructed and stuffed with insulation), so a CAT5 drop is my responsibility, contrary to what Janet had promised. (D'OH #34) Um, WTF? Called Janet. Left her another message. Never called me back. (D'OH #35) Gave her name to Scott because he was looking mighty pissed that someone said that to me. Listened quiety as Scott and his assistant made all sorts of interesting comments about what a crappy job the attic wiring guys did. (D'OH #36) Why am I not surprised?
Two hours later, Scott was done and my install was complete. After Scott left, I sat with my cat and cried for 10 minutes.
Epilogue
So there you have it. Like all phone companies, Verizon's new FIOS department is utterly FUBAR. In the end, it's a zero sum game. Originally, I took comfort that I would be sticking it to Comcast, our state-sponsored monopoly, and investing in a forward-thinking technology. But, in reality, I'm just taking money out of the mouth of one horrible monster and putting it into the mouth of another. I can't really say I'm happy. I can't really say I'm glad I have FIOS. Maybe I'll move up to the next speed package and download episodes of Boston Legaland Battlestar Galactica
in 20 minutes instead of an hour.
But I don't really care. Verizon killed my excitement about getting Verizon. And that's sad.
Update: 3/22/07 - The Final Insult
So the Verizon automated phone service calls me to take a survey.
Automated system: "Rate your installation experience from 1 to 5, where 1 is outstanding and 5 is poor." I pressed 5. "I'm sorry to hear that. Please wait while I connect you to a FIOS representative." Um, why? The install is over with. There's nothing a service rep can do. But, hey, I might as well talk to them one more time just to reminisce.
Justin: "Thank you for calling Verizon, this is Justin. How can I help you?"
Me: "I don't know, Justin. I was taking a phone survey. When I said my installation was poor, I was connected to you. Why am I here?"
Justin: "Because you selected poor on the survey. Whenever you indicate anything as poor, you get connected to a live person."
Me: "That doesn't make any sense. If I replied that my installation wasn't working, then I could see connecting to a rep. But all I can really do at this point in time is tell you how much the installation sucks, and that just doesn't seem very productive."
Justin: "Is there anything I can do to help you today?"
Me: "Well, not unless you can wave a magic wand, go back six months in time, and help me change my mind about this disaster."
Justin: "*chuckle* Well, if you need any help, we're here 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."
Me: "No, you're not."
Justin: "Um, actually we are."
Me: "No. You can answer the phone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. But, if there's any actual trouble on the line, the departments who actually do the fixing only work 8 to 5, Monday through Friday in their respective timezones. You guys are just information monkeys who collect complaints and then route them to groups who don't care and never call back. Thus, if I need actual help, I should call between 8 and 4 on a weekday. A supervisor told me that once back in February."
Justin: "..."
Me: "Actually, I would like to complain about the quality of my install. I mean, why not?"
Justin: "Is your service not working?"
Me: "No, my service is working. I'm just not happy about the fact that there's this giant, ugly, obnoxious ONT box on my wall with ugly, obnoxious punched down wiring. I'm also not pleased about the flimsy, ugly, obnoxious conduit on the side of my home with the single fiber optic line exposed to the outside world making it a perfect target for a cat or a raccoon to chew through it. Not to mention the giant box of conduit your installers left laying on the ground. In general, the contractors did a really crappy job on this install."
Justin: "Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Is there anything else I can help you with?"
Me: "You haven't helped me with the first thing."
Justin: "The first thing?"
Me: "The crappy install."
Justin: "Well, like you said, there really isn't much we can do about that."
Me: "Why am I not surprised?"
Justin: "Is there anything else I can help you with?"
Me: "Actually, I do have a question: despite all my warnings to stay away at all costs, my friend wants to get FIOS, and he's specifically wondering if the install tech will do a CAT5 drop in a wall?"
Justin: "Absolutely. The install tech can do that."
Me: "That's funny. The install tech I dealt with said he doesn't do that and that I have to do my own wiring."
Justin: "..."
Me: "So, Justin, would you like to help me with my install issue or my CAT5 issue?"
Justin: "uh..."
Me: "Or, perhaps you'd like to get me to a supervisor?"
Justin: "Right away."
*click, Justin hangs up the line instead of putting me on hold or getting a call back number, not that it would matter anyway* YAY VERIZON!
Edit 2007-03-23: The First Billing Nightmare
See http://www.rfjason.com/?p=23 for the latest chapter. I learn that it's standard practice to bill customers a full week before their billing cycles start. They also have a process lag where your credit card is charged, but you can't see your bill for another four days. You have to wait for it to "post." This time, I record the call with Erin, the fat sassy black obnoxious "oh no you dih-int" bitch from Hell. Have a listen as she blows her stack at me when I catch her making a bad mistake.
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28 Comments
DUDE... GET A LIFE!!! REALLY, IF AFTER 2 MONTHS IF IT WASNT INSTALLED YOU SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH CABLE. BUT NO, YOU'RE ONE OF THESE WHINEY PUNKS WHO WANTS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. CRYING FOR CREDIT BECAUSE YOU WERE INCONVIENCED. STAY WITH CABLE, CONTINUED TO BE OVER CHARGED FOR SUB STANDARD SERVICE. OTHER THAN THAT, GET OVER YOURSELF. I SEE WHY YOU DONT HAVE A SPOUSE, YOU CAN STAND BE WITH YOURSELF, I CAN SEE WHY NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH YOU. IF I WAS VERIZON, I WOULD DISCONNECT YOUR SERVICE, WAIVE THE EARLY TERMINATION FEES AND REFUSE YOU SERVICE.
Just above shift. The button is marked "CAPS LOCK". Press once and never touch it again.
Verizon is terrible, I have had problems with their phones and canceled. Know I am having problems with their Fios. The internet is slow as hell. We have made repeated calls to tech support, and they tell you the same thing (Reset the router). This still doesn't fix the problem, but even if it did. Who wants to reset there router every single day. I've had many other internet carriers and haven't ever had problems. I purchased Fios b/c I thought that they were going to be faster and better, but they end up to be the worst. They should stick to what they do best Over charging for phone service and raping people on hidden fees.
Everyone please note, I just deleted a lengthy reply from a user who made some pretty outrageous claims about her Verizon FIOS service. While I know there are customers who have had genuine and serious problems with their FIOS and that Verizon shouldn't ignore them like they ignored me, please don't post fake reviews when your IP address clearly points to fucking AUSTRALIA.
If you're going to do forum battle on my blog, don't be a fucking moron.
Before I get into my cable rant exactly what happened to your FiOS "mishap" I'll ask my questions..:
I'm looking at FiOS.. what I read brings terrible memories. Is FiOS ok once they get their shit together or is it a never ending battle all the time with shit popping up here and there and numbers you didnt call, pay per view you didnt order, etc...
I value anyones feedback... my email is yoursp4mhere@gmail.com
Thanks,
Jay
READ BELOW LOL and there's more but I'd have to write a book.
My god, that was like my situation with RCN (Cable). These people are morons! I had the joy of calling tech support and being VoIP'd to China with someone reading troubleshooting steps off a piece of paper.
Anyway I'm sick of dealing with this stupid cable people cause I get a lot of RFI noise on my line and the techs come out and say the signals fine but they arent looking at a spectrum analyzer that I wanted to shove somewhere.
"What operating system do you have... Windows 98.. XP"
ME: I have linux
"Sorry I can't help you, you need Windows"
At that point I took total control over the convo and as usual they send a tech out.. They do that every time.. Why not just have an 800 # that you dial and have a phone matrix schedule you a tech and save money on outsourced tech support.
Sorry this doesn't concern VZ but it is essentially the same deal..
Just two quick funny ones:
I called tech support in India and his name was like David (yeah right).. I asked him to provision my modem... bla bla... he configured it for 7mbps when I had 10mbps service... In short I called tech support and they downgraded my service. "Is there anything else I can do for you?" don't get me started
Lastly, I contacted my County's commission on telecom and they put me over to this person with the title of "Customer Service Advocate". I left 10 Voicemails and she never returns them.. i always have to call again.
The real funny part.. Right after I contacted my county rep, I get a message from a live person that says they are from "Customer Loyalty" and want to offer me a 2 year contract!?! My service is fscked already!?? So this is where it gets good.. she leaves a number to call her for any questions.. so i thought what the hell, this will be funny. (cause I knew the whole point of the call wasn't to care about me but to sell me a contract). CUSTOMER LOYALTY DIDN'T ANSWER MY MESSAGE!! HAHAH
Jason,
By the way, great page! Nice layout, and I was laughing my a$$ off at your ordeals with them even tho they suck and are frustrating as hell, you have to laugh at the outright ignorance and disorganization of all of these companies. I worked as a Tier 3 Support Engineer for a sat. internet provider (yea you probably know what it is but I'm not going to say it). So.. In my trouble ticket log I call this guy and it turns out he canceled service a month ago. He yelled at me. It was rather funny.
Peace,
jay
yoursp4mhere [ a.t ] gmail.com
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The reason there is a 4 there is because they wouldn't let me choose an email address with the word spam in it LOL.
Verizon is currently running under ground conduit for FIOS in my neighborhood. Shadowbrook in Sewell, NJ. Their contractor is making a mess out of the sod and many irrigation systems! Their solution is to throw some cheap ass rye grass seed where they dug up the sod and also use non quailified help to repair the irrigation. There is no way I will let them dig any further to run the service to my home. they cant even get this right! Why let them go further?
Verizon is currently running under ground conduit for FIOS in my neighborhood. Shadowbrook in Sewell, NJ. Their contractor is making a mess out of the sod and many irrigation systems! Their solution is to throw some cheap ass rye grass seed where they dug up the sod and also use non quailified help to repair the irrigation. There is no way I will let them dig any further to run the service to my home. they cant even get this right! Why let them go further?
Dude - first, I just have to say Thank You for creating this page. I'm frustrated beyond words with how the Verizon idiots handled my order for Fios, and as pathetic as I know this sounds, I'm glad I'm not alone.
I live in Maplewood, NJ. Verizon guys walk up and down my street once a month trying to sell Fios door-to-door, that's how bad they want our business. So, I figured what the heck - like you, I'd love to stick it to Comcast after years of poor customer service.
I ordered Fios in January - they were supposed to come install in February, but my work schedule changed so I called them two weeks in advance and rescheduled for Good Friday in March. They assured me installation would not be a problem that day, so fine. Well, Good Friday rolls around and nobody shows up. After repeated calls they finally tell me nobody will be showing because, well, don't you know this is Good Friday?
I was angry, but I stayed polite and said since I've missed one day of work already, they now need to fit me in for a Saturday install. They say, no problem - we'll be there the Saturday after next.
An installer does show up around 11am that Saturday as promised. But as he looks around and takes in the scope of the job - 4 tv's on 3 floors, two computers w/ a wireless router - he starts mumbling about how long it will take and that he promised his girlfriend he'd be done by 4pm. He then goes outside and does absolutely NOTHING for 3 hours! Seriously, he sat in his truck on his cell phone - I could see him the whole time. Then he comes back and tells me the job will have to be done on Monday because he can't finish. I tell him to leave and cancel my order.
Two days later somebody from Verizon calls and convinces me to give them another shot. He swears he'll elevate my install to priority, so I agree to take a day off for another weekday install appt.
That was today. Nobody showed up. Nobody called. I waited all day - made a decision not to call them just to see if they would call me. They didn't.
At 3:30 I called and cancelled my order. They offered me $22 off for the first month - I told them they could offer me free service for the rest of my life and it wouldn't make any difference because they would never come to install the service in the first place.
I hate Verizon, I hate Fios - say what you want about Comcast, but at least they show up.
If one person out there reads this and decides not to get Fios, I will consider myself revenged.
I have FIOS, Jason. I had no trouble getting it in. The box is the box. You want a different box, buy one. You don't like the router, buy one. The equipment is like any first time equipment. It works. Nothing more is needed except a decent connection.
On this score I agree that the FIOS lines can be slower but that may have something to do with slowing the connection because of using Torrents. That sucks and is wrong on many levels but Cable does it as well actually they started it and are being investigated at the federal level. Not so Verizon..
My install took exactly five hours. The Tech installers are a joke but so aren't they all. These people are instructed in how to do a install at a basic level and when they find a snag it can throw them for a loop and then can take another semi genius say an 85 IQ on a good day to make matters worse.
As far as the rest of your rant, liked the first guy said, get a life. For someone that expects the world to screw you all the time why d then didn't you look up what you were getting. Why not ask a few questions before it all begins like the boxes. If you actually looked instead of bitching you could have said sorry no like. Take it back. But you did not and so well, tough toothpaste.
It does no good to bitch after the fact. You had the chance to look it up but you did not so what's the point?
All new technology suffers the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Jason. Comcast is so much worse and as one person said they do show up. But when they get there they are just the same techs as Verizon only a different insignia.
New technology always suffers at first. Hang in and you'll find it gets better and if it doesn't then fire the bastards and be done with them.
I had Comcast for nearly five years. It sucked all time. The techs were terrible. The quality of service was about as good as George Bush at being President. A joke.
So that's my story and I'm stickin to it. I'm a lot older than you I imagine so I have a different attitude about things than say someone under thirty so I have had time to be disappointed in companies but in the end they are mostly the same. ISPs are gateways only. In Verizon's case they were the first to FIOS and as such are bringing you something no one else has. It's bound to have glitches but that is the price we pay for wanting something that is first out of the gate.
OK so you want to edit this than just toss it. I can't believe you would edit content because it was not to your liking. Pretty shabby actually. You are assuming it was fake but to say it wasn't what you wanted someone to say so I deleted it? You need a touch of reality in your life or at least a lesson in fair play. Not everyone is going to like what you said. The person with the capitals was way over the topp rude but the sentiment was just fine. Wish I could be more sympathetic but you make it hard to care when all you do is bitch.
Moron.
Hey man, they don't put ONT's in attics because of the heat. Those things are made in China because we don't make anything stateside anymore, and they are cheap as hell. I guess you could put the ONT in the attic if you want to see a tech every summer to change out your box. By the way, they do a great job in Huntington Beach, CA.
Unless the attic gets to 140 degrees, I don't think that's a problem.
Listened to your erin call, read your story ... yours is NOTHING ...
I'm searching for "horror" stories..
Here's one in return.. a customer of ours has a business office and an on site residential apartment (single apartment for a specific staff appointment). The person in the apartment ordered fios ... verizon came, took out **ALL** copper service to the site, replaced it all with fios, and then proceeded to break out the phone lines for the business, and the phone for the apartment.
Problem is, the business uses DSL, has servers there, and when fios installs remove copper access, there's no copper for the DSL to go across.
Verizon misunderstood the order, misunderstood the technical requirements and now claims they can't put copper back in service because its been upgraded to fiber.
The end result? The customer has no access to email (server is on site), their web servers (onsite), or ftp server (which they heavily use world wide and are also on site) and the only way they can get service into their servers now, is to re-ip everything, and pay for additional ip space, and for the upgrade to fios business, when the business **never** ordered it.
THAT is an example of f**ked up.. what YOU went through?.. NOTHING... you HAVE service that you ordered.. try selling your sob story someplace else.
yeah verizon absolutely sucks. i have been going through a nightmare for the past 2 months trying to get my intermittent Fios service fixed. and when i say intermittent i mean out for hours at a time. and i really don't have a choice in the matter unless i move out of my apt, since my complex has some kind of contract with Verizon and you HAVE to use them for internet service.
but yeah they are totally imcompetent. their techs are retarded, they have been out 3 times now and still haven't fixed the problem. and don't even get me started on customer service, it's a friggin nightmare.
You are all right. Verizon does suck and there subs are even worse. I just had the entire service installed Phone, Internet,and TV. TV sucks thank god I didn't cancel my Directv. Within 2 days I cancelled my service.
Here is the catch so far. 1st for over 2 weeks I have been waiting for the sub to com out and finish the drop line for the Fiber Op line from the street to my house, they started left and never came back. I have been told four times of a date and time and no show. So I have a line sitting across my yard.
After the install I was told that I did not have FIOS phone installed but that is was on the order and some one would be out. Again no show.
Cancelled FIOS TV and wanted to cancel all of the service, but was told from some idiot in Texas call center that if I cancel even though I have 90 days to cancel that I can no longer get my DSL service because the Fios was run.
WHAT A JOKE. For those of you who have been around and remember GTE (who is now verizon) there know logo is ""REACH OUT AND (add your thoughts) SOMEONE. Verizon has found a new way to screw us.
If you thinking of going to FIOS good luck. Looks like cable phone and internet for me but not Verizon.
FIOS gets worse when you get it their 5/2 download speed will never be above 3/1 and all you hear from them is it's not us, "is there anything else we can help you with"
I currently buy 5/2, and I'm getting 5/1.5 to 5/2 depending on the time of day, etc.
While my install was just terrible, I really can't complain about the performance.
I still remember how happy I was when I fianlly discontinued my regular phone service with Verizon. After reading this I decided NOT to get FiOS - fu_ck'em!
I have enough trouble with BrightHouse RoadRunner and don't need to switch for more of the same for more money and long contracts.
If the US companies don't get their act together and remember what "consumer centric" means, I will NOT DEAL WITH THEM ANY MORE.
Verizon hides the fact that you can get FiOS without long contracts on their site and if you find it, they charge more. And they hide the fact, that if you do that, an $99 installation fee applies; in addition to the higher price! SCAM!
Knowing that phone and cable companies usually calculate an 18 month return on investment, this even more disturbing. They are riding the gravy train after 18 month and WE DON'T CARE!
rjjason - I had a very similar experience that I documented in detail at Verizon-FiOS-Sucks.com. After that experience I decided to create a forum for users to post specific issues so Verizon customers could help each other resolve their issues or share Customer service stories. That site is VerizonFiOSHelp.com.
How do you feel about your install now? Any more or less satisfied?
Sorry to hear about your problems, but to all others out there I would think of Jason's experience as the exception, not the norm.
I live on the west coast and my installation was simply lovely. It took a week from ordering to zoom zoom. I have overhead lines in my neighborhood so one team came out and strung it to my house and a couple of days later the Verizon dude showed up. He did an excellent job treating my house like it was his own. I even got a 100 dollar gift card as a "thank you".
I believe that's really the problem with Verizon. If you have an idiot who doesn't care about his/her work then you're going to suffer. Months later when I got FIOS TV installed the guys that came out were clearly old "phone guys" and had no experience with installing cable and home electronics in general. It was like watching my Mother trying to hook up the VCR. I actually had to help them...
But a week later, after experiencing difficulties, another guy came out who was more experienced fixed my problems right away. He said that they have lots of problems with installers who aren't trained and have no experience.
Maybe if you wouldn't come across as such a whiny dick all the time, people would be more receptive to actually "wanting" to help you. Let me use my psychic asshole detector and I have a sneaking suspicion that you're always quick with a put down. I can only imagine your waitress at Denny gets maybe a 5% tip (if any) because she doesn't know, in advance, that you don't want marshmallows on your cocoa. Nobody really ever makes you happy because you're always looking for a fight...tsk tsk...it's a wonderful life and looking at it through you're half empty glasses must really suck...
But then I would also imagine you're the type that takes pride in this sort of attitude...
Good luck to you, you miserable fuck...
I feel your pain. Verizon sucks. I am ready to go back to cable! Today, a Verizon tech support guy told me to use my own router and use the Actiontec pos as a bridge. WTF?
HA HA HA Your a doucebag
I absolutely hate FIOS. It does not run any faster than the DSL service I had with Verizon. I've had 3 techs out here since they installed it. "the checker of the checker of the tech" The last one said it's still not right. They told me they would wave the installation fee, they did not.
When I got the service tech on line he said oh, you have something running in the background.... guess what it was... thier software.
Originally I had no bells and whistle phone service and dsl. They tried to sell me fios, I said no. Then my bill went up amost double. They then told me that I could get fios and phone with all the bells and whistles for the same price. They lied about that too.
They have absolutely the worst service. I don't care who you talk to, (after you get through all of the recordings,) you need to talk to somebody else. They never put you on hold, they say they are and hang up. If you try to talk to a manager, they play 50 questions, say they are putting you on hold and then hang up.
It's absolute a horrible service. Stay with cable or anybody else for that matter.
My Verizon fios experience has also been less than stellar. The on demand totally blows compared with Comcast, and the guide function in general is really slow. Also, where I live, they bunched like 20 local access channels from channels 17-30, which is really anoying when I am surfing; put that crap in the 100s. I also had major problems scheduling installation. And on top of all that, I personally do not notice a significant improvement in picture quality over cable.
Trying to call them is also a joke. So, today I tried ther live chat service. Below is what transpired. Note: 1) it was 1/2 an hour between when I logged on and when a representative began chatting; 2) each "live chat" response form verizon took 7-8 minutes; 3) they ended the chat (not me) never addressing my question and making no response to my request for why I should remain their customer; really glad they care so much about keeping my business.
Live Chat Transcript
Chat Subject: FiOS
A Verizon eCenter Representative will be with you shortly. Thank you. (14:13:12)
14:36:23 We apologize for the delay. You are next in the line. A representative will be with you shortly.
Agent Christine has joined. (14:41:21)
Christine: Chat ID for this session is 09190844946. (14:41:21)
Christine(14:41:24): Hello. Welcome to Verizon's chat service. How may I help you today?
Brett(14:41:48): I have found my FIOS experience to be very disappointing. The ads regarding on-demand content were very misleading, the response time to the guide and on-demand is poor, and the on-demand selection is absolutely pitiful compared with Comcast; on-demand movies that I PAID FOR skipped and pixelated. When I try to call to get answers to these questions I never get to speak to anyone; terrible customer service. I want to know what Verizon is doing to correct these issues.
Christine(14:42:49): For your convenience, Verizon has a specialized FiOS Technical Support team available to assist you by phone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Please call (888) 553-1555 for Fios related repair and technical support.
Brett(14:43:32): I have called this number before and had terrible customer service. I am going back to Comcast.
Brett(14:50:17): Well Christine, thank you for your time and wonderful incite regarding my questions. As usual, my attempt to get answers from Verizon has been a complete waste of time.
Christine(14:53:17): I do apologize that I can assist you with your request. This is a technical issue and I am not a FiOS technician.
Brett(15:03:52): Actually, it's not. I know you must get complaints about the slow on-demand feature, your small on-demand library, and your poor customer service (I have seen similar complaints on-line all over the place). My question is what is Verizon doing to address these issues as a company; in other words, what would you say to convince me to stay on as a customer.
Your session is now closed.
Thank you,have a nice day.
What ever you do, DO NOT let Verizon talk you into FREE HBO for 30 Days! They will end up charging you for it no matter if you cancel out of it or not. It is a hassle and you will never get it FREE as they tell you. They Lie!


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